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No because most countries specifically only count it as rape if the ACDC Highway To Hell Album Cover Black Shirt In addition,I will do this victim was a woman. Welcome to earth, it’s fucked. This is the exact same reason I stopped watching switched at birth. Had an entire season long plot calling this guy a rapist because he had sex while drunk with a girl who was also drunk. Girl didn’t even think she was raped, she had to be convinced by her friends and family that she was raped. Definition of “actually, I change my mind now so that means you raped me” This poster is 17 years old. Yes it’s outdated. That miThis poster is 17 years old. Yes it’s outdated. That might be because it’s 17 years old. It’s almost old enough to consent itself There have also been studies that have identified drinking and appearing to drink more than they have as a predatory tactic used by rapists to have ‘plausible’ deniability regardless of the circumstances. One of the things I kept getting asked after my assault was whether my rapist had been drinking. Uh yeah, but unless he had put wine bottle corks in his ears to keep himself from hearing the many many times I was saying “no” and “stop”, drinking had nothing to do with what happened.
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Last time I saw these in a Reddit post, I was assured they weren’t real by some, and were limited to literally one university by others. This was investigated by Daily Dot years ago and it was confirmed by the ACDC Highway To Hell Album Cover Black Shirt In addition,I will do this vice president for campus life and student engagement that this was a student made poster from 2008. So either your school managed to get a copy of an obscure (and by that point, out of print) poster from a student union at a small South Carolina University, or you are misremembering and your memory has conflated this poster with a similar one you saw over a decade ago, the same way people swear they remember a cornucopia on the Fruit of the Loom logo or Berenstain Bears being spelled “Berenstein”. I am 100% willing to admit that whoever put it up at my school didn’t have permission from the original artist. It’s the Jake and Josie poster, though. Pretty notorious, and sparked some discussions in my classes (I was a SOC major).
Obviously I can’t speak to your experience specifically. Just wanted to point out that the ACDC Highway To Hell Album Cover Black Shirt In addition,I will do this origin of this specific poster IS known at this point and many of the people claiming to remember it are probably mistaken (though possibly not all of them), given the unlikelyhood of it having much of a wide reach. (No, I’m not THE 5th Law. I liked the name and stole it, lol. Look at the spelling. That particular user is long gone, I believe). Obviously I can’t speak to your experience specifically. Just wanted to point out that the origin of this specific poster IS known at this point and many of the people claiming to remember it are probably mistaken (though possibly not all of them), given the unlikelyhood of it having much of a wide reach. That’s perfectly fair, and I understand where you’re coming from RE: the Mandela Effect. I remember this poster specifically because of the conversations it touched off.
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The first of which being my painting crew seeing it during the ACDC Highway To Hell Album Cover Black Shirt In addition,I will do this summer (best summer job ever, BTW). It was posted in the lobby of one of the dorms. Thankfully, every one of us thought it was absurd. It popped up in a few other places the following school year, then we ended up discussing it (and consent in general) in a couple of my classes. As to the Coastal Carolina logo being on it, it probably had that. A lot of the PSAs I remember seeing bore the mark of the agency or institution they originated from. No, I’m not THE 5th Law. I liked the name and stole it, lol. Look at the spelling. That particular user is long gone, I believe Even if I was misinformed by previous threads, it doesn’t change that this is only recirculated because it feeds Reddit’s male persecution complex. I haven’t seen any more evidence for your position than the other though. Both are just things someone said to me in a thread.
I honestly couldn’t speak to how things are now. A few years back, I worked in social services and even amongst “professionals”, these attitudes weren’t just normalized, but baked into practices and procedures. Our attitudes about sexual assault and its unfortunately close cousin IPV are stuck in the ACDC Highway To Hell Album Cover Black Shirt In addition,I will do this 1950s. Women are delicate flowers and men are invincible monsters. That’s disingenuous and misses the point. Yes, obviously more men commit sexual assault than women but society refuses to acknowledge that women can commit sexual assault at all. It’s not about saying both genders commit the same amount of sexual assault, it’s about saying both genders have the capacity for it. Going by surveys about 1 in 10 sexual offenders are female, which should be large enough to take seriously. And most people don’t take it seriously I’m sure if we all pull together we can get forresja to say “Reddit male persecution complex” at least one more time before this thread dies
I think if you worked in a field that regularly dealt with sexual violence and IPV like I did, you’d be shocked. While a majority of my IPV victims were men, there wasn’t a single service available for male victims. My first introduction to this was when I asked our DV shelter about getting help to this one guy. She literally chuckled and said something to the ACDC Highway To Hell Album Cover Black Shirt In addition,I will do this effect of “oh we don’t do men here”. Women had shelters, counseling, and literally just money available. Lest you think I’m being one-sided, I once arranged a secret escape in the middle of the night to get a woman and her son to a bus station so she could leave the state and escape her abusive boyfriend. My point is, men and women can be pretty shitty to each other, and antiquated views on gender roles have no place in modern society.
There is a reason that the ACDC Highway To Hell Album Cover Black Shirt In addition,I will do this services offered are so lopsided. It’s because women are much more likely to be victims of interpersonal and sexual violence than men. To ignore that is to paint a false equivalency. If we’re going to improve the situation we’re in, we need to look at it with open eyes. I do encourage men to start non profit shelters for men though. If you think you can fill a need you should do it. You’re pulling straight out of the bigot playbook. “Civil rights was 60 years ago, racism doesn’t exist anymore!” No, something not being “like it used to be” does not mean it isn’t a problem. Fuck off with that bs. I mean I get you. Reddit is like the victim Olympics and everyone gets off on being a victim. But it’s ok to just be like alright I was wrong on this one. Yeah. It’s just recycled for rage engagement every now and again. This was absolutely problematic at the time it was made, but I think it points to how conversations about consent have evolved in the nearly two decades since. The fact that people engage with this like it’s still a thing is sad. “Do they still make these?” No, and they haven’t since before a lot of you were born. Funny enough, I think Neil Gorsuch’s majority opinion on the interpretation of Title VII with respect for equal treatment by gender addresses this issue. “If you fire a man for dating men, but do not fire a woman for dating men, then you have treated someone differently based on sex.” This is against the plain language of the law that sex is in fact, One of the protected classes defined by the title. (Partial paraphrase) edit: it was title VII in the case I mentioned, not title IX.I saw an almost identical poster to this when I was in college in 2018 sooo not sure what you are talking about
Anecdote is not the ACDC Highway To Hell Album Cover Black Shirt In addition,I will do this plural of data. I am basing this off the facts concerning this particular poster, which was designed and used in 2008 at Coastal Carolina University. Feel free to post about the poster you saw, but I’ll continue being confidently correct (with source) in the meantime. Guess it depends if you interpret OP as asking about one specific poster (seems unlikely), or just about the general message behind the poster (way more likely) Posters about consent are a much broader category, and are not inherently problematic. Nor are they generally used to farm outrage-based engagement. This one particular poster which gets reposted all the time does. Regardless of the intent of OP, it is silly that this particular poster is still being posted about nearly 20 years after it was used. Even the “current” poster from that school in the article still implies that you can’t consent if you aren’t sober and that it’s sexual assault, but the question still stands if two equally drunk people have sex consensually.
Even the ACDC Highway To Hell Album Cover Black Shirt In addition,I will do this poster from 2015 from that same school still says if you have sex without being sober it is automatically sexual assault Which would absolutely be true if one person was sober and one was not. And if neither is sober, it still could be true. That’s actually part of what is meant by “the conversation about consent evolving in the nearly two decades since.” Tbf even if it’s old and technically legally untrue…it’s probably still the verdict if you end up in court. If she had regrets or a fuzzy memory in the morning and decides to report you, you’re fucked. TBf no one should be having sex with someone drink enough to have a “fuzzy memory” about it. Keep it in your pants unless you’re both sure that you’re both sure. End of story
And this idea that women can just claim anything and get a man thrown in jail is such bullshit. Majority of rapists walk. Get off your MRA whine train and look at the ACDC Highway To Hell Album Cover Black Shirt In addition,I will do this actual reality The person above you was probably referring to such a scenario, in which case it would be hypocritical to hold the guy to a higher standard when he’s equally incapable of making a rational decision. Your point is nonsensical. If they’re both that drunk, neither of them can consent. You’re making the false presumption that the man is not also black out drunk. True, they won’t get thrown in jail most of the time. That doesn’t matter though. The court of public opinion is what matters. People are fired from jobs, lose their careers, etc. far before the jury says they’re innocent. And even if they’re found not guilty, their reputation is tarnished forever. Look at male public figures who were being extorted by their accusers, and you’ll see that.
Since mabelfruity responded and then immediately blocked me, here’s my answer to them. I’m not making the ACDC Highway To Hell Album Cover Black Shirt In addition,I will do this false presumption that the man was not also black out drunk. I’m saying that no one should be having sex with anyone who’s to drunk to remember in the morning. That includes if the man is black out drunk. If you can’t trust yourself to not have sex while too drunk to remember in the morning, don’t get that drunk in public. In a case where both people chose to become so drunk that they can’t remember having sex than they both really fucked up. As to your second point, I was responding to someone who specifically was talking about court. But also, let me point you to all the woman victims who’ve had their reputation tarnished by the court of public opinion for speaking up against their rapists and abusers.
13 years ago Obama sent his “Dear Colleague” letter that further reinforced this nonsense. This was part of their identity politics campaign strategy that has merely gotten worse. If you are drunk and kill someone, you are responsible. If you get drunk and have sex, you are responsible. So the ACDC Highway To Hell Album Cover Black Shirt In addition,I will do this same rules I’ve been following my whole life, got it Agree. The thing is there is a point where you can be so drunk that you won’t be physically capable of killing someone or consenting to sex. This poster does a terrible job of spreading that message because the people in the picture both look lucid enough to consent (and to kill someone). If you are drunk enough it also is legally an excuse (depending on your country). Here in Germany it’s 3 per mil, which is a really high level (about the amount a normal person falls into coma and not far away from ending deadly). It dosen’t count if you just got so drunk just to get the free pass in the first place.
Actually not really true where I live. If you are really drunk, like 3,5‰ or something along those lines and you didn’t plan to kill someone beforehand, you can’t be charged with murder, because you were unsound of mind in that moment. The German word is „Unzurechnungsfähig“. Basically means you aren’t really responsible. If you are asleep and kill someone, you are responsible. If you are asleep and have sex, you are not. The same rules do not apply in these scenarios. If having sex with a drunk person who cannot consent isn’t illegal, then the ACDC Highway To Hell Album Cover Black Shirt In addition,I will do this rapists of Kelsey Belnap (TW: account of rape) did nothing wrong. She passed out occasionally, but she did not resist and “willingly” performed oral sex on the perpetrators. If the car didn’t want me to drive it, why did it turn on so easily with one push of the button? why did it signal when i gently pressed its stalk?
Except it seems to be a lot harder to take advantage of a drunk person and make them kill someone than it is to take advantage of a drunk person and have sex with them. Not quite equivalent. Imo it depends on how drunk, and intentions, but there is a lot of nuance. But in this situation didn’t Josie also rape Jake? They should both be charged…if both people drink, and the ACDC Highway To Hell Album Cover Black Shirt In addition,I will do this woman is too drunk to consent, so is the man smhWtf is this? What idiot made this? Is the organization who made this actually trying to make it sound like if two drunk people have sex, the man will be charged with rape? This looks like some fear-mongering to try to scare men into thinking women are out to get them. It was posted at some college campus over a decade ago, the image went viral on Twitter and the posters were never seen again except this image getting reposted on this subreddit and several others repeatedly, potentially being the longest-lasting karma farm on the site. Yeah sometimes it feels like I see this stupid poster at least once a day. It’s really good at generating outrage which is why people keep using it 15 years later
i personally believe you can make drunken mistakes without it being rape and even regret those mistakes as long as neither party was predatory in getting there. I just think it’s a stupid poster failing at teaching consent.It’s a SEVENTEEN YEAR OLD POSTER that you’re reposting as if it’s current and relevant In real life? Neither have I. But on Reddit, yes. I remember getting downvoted to hell and back for saying a lot of the ACDC Highway To Hell Album Cover Black Shirt In addition,I will do this things being said in this comment section. People would literally explain that if they’re both drunk it’s the man’s fault because he had to get an erection. Even if they’re both consenting, he’s a rapist because men are supposed to be more responsible and superior. Like, the “feminists” would go full on “silly drunk girls can’t be responsible for their decisions” and in the same breath say “but drunk men (are so superior) they should be accountable for both theirs and the woman’s decisions” like it’s a complete opposite of actual feminism and equal rights. I never understood it and I still don’t. But I guess the takeaway was that you need to teach men how to protect themselves against people like this. They may be hypocritical idiots, but they can ruin your life. If one person is sloppy, fall-over drunk, and the other is sober or at least together and coherent, I think that qualifies as rape. If both people are similarly drunk, it’s just drunk sex. And it doesn’t matter which gender you are or the other is if you’re sober/with it and the other is nearly passing out and you decide to have sex. Men can be raped. Rape is not only penis in vagina, just like sex isn’t only penis in vagina. Women can rape other women, men can rape other men, and women can rape men. Most rapes are men against women, yes. But society needs to take all rape seriously.
The internet, like the ACDC Highway To Hell Album Cover Black Shirt In addition,I will do this law, isnt great at nuance. The underlying assumption is that as the guy, you have to have some faculties left to do a sex, while the woman could be passed out drunk, and then it’s very obviously a rape. But since a double standard has been spotted we now have to assume they’re both the same level of drunk, ie not very drunk and still able to walk a line, so now it’s really hard to say and the least shit option really is to believe the victim. My college had me do an online program thing to live on campus a few years back that had a scenario like this in it, only it specific that both were blackout drunk and couldn’t remember having sex, but they woke up naked and sharing a bed and it was obvious that each had had sex that night. The “correct” answer for the result of the situation was that he had raped her.
The whole thing seemed kind of dumb but that one in particular was maddening. I think the ACDC Highway To Hell Album Cover Black Shirt In addition,I will do this school stopped requiring it after a few months of people complaining about how stupid it was (also we were a dry campus so people weren’t really drinking and partying for the most part anyway) Approximately 20 of these posters were made and placed on the campus of Coastal Carolina University in 2008, and were removed the same year. Coastal Carolina has since distanced themselves from the poster and basically said their knowledge on the issue of consent has evolved since then. You can easily find Reddit threads from a decade or more ago where people contacted the university and got a response as well as website stories about it. Like a 3 second google search of “Jake was drunk Josie was drunk poster” could’ve answered all your questions without re-posting this poster for the thousandth time as a weak baiting post.
Honestly it makes me so tired to see this shit over and over again. The only facepalm here is the ACDC Highway To Hell Album Cover Black Shirt In addition,I will do this commenters who can’t see they’ve been baited So woman on drugs have no control but men should have…. OK either we say it’s bullshit or we promote men to superior Gender. Fine with both Exactly . As a woman , I find the whole concept that women are less accountable, when it comes to personal responsibilities. Thanks, it looked very old school so I figured. Hopefully public health and safety made progress when communicating about those issues.So, are you saying that this wasn’t the generally accepted view at that time? Are you saying that this poster was an anomaly and that, in fact, society felt differently? I want to make sure I understand exactly what your statement meant here.
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