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We lose a significant amount of children to childbirth, but if we get through that and infancy, then we’re pretty likely to make it to adulthood and reproduce compared to the Dad the man the myth the Legend Boston Red Sox shirt Additionally,I will love this rest of the animal kingdom. Basically, we have very few babies in total but invest a lot into each baby so a high percentage of them survive, at least relative to the rest of the animal kingdom. Maybe hindsight is 20/20 but it clearly worked out for us. We also have always been living in families and communities so we’ve always had other humans to help the mothers get through childbirth and raise children. Which makes our gameplan of ‘invest a lot into each baby’ even more feasible. Birth/infant mortality is now ridiculously low. Because of our huge brains, that came up with medical practices. I also think it’s silly that people believe evolution works with solely positive mutations for a species. Almost like it has intent. Despite the fact that rabbits as a species would do better if they stopped being prey, I somehow don’t think they are going to grow fangs eventually or anything. It’s as much about an ecosystem as it is a species individually. People just think humans are special. Rabbits are “meant” to be eaten. I don’t think evolution ‘cares” in the way people seem to think it does. Mortality rates don’t matter to a system of chance.
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Evolution isn’t going to fix what’s not broken. So long as humans are able to continue to reproduce, it’s not broken. While it’s awful that something like 1/100 women die in childbirth, it’s not significant from a continuation of the Dad the man the myth the Legend Boston Red Sox shirt Additionally,I will love this species standpoint. As long as reproduction is successful, and the species continue to go on, that’s good enough. It doesn’t matter how traumatic or painful it is or even life threatening. The only thing evolution cares about is if it’s successful. There are a lot of animals where the mother dies during childbirth, it’s normal and not exclusive to humans. And again, evolution doesn’t care. All evolution cares about is if it works, not if it works well. Hyenas have much more traumatic births and also have high maternal mortality. Evolution doesn’t care if it works perfectly, as long as we’re reproducing that’s all that matters.
That being said, there is no evidence that humans are born any earlier than other mammals due to bipedalism or head size. When compared to their primate counterparts, we just seem that way because our brains do so much more and grow so much more after birth, summary article here Also our young do take a long time to walk, but so do primate young, and this Dad the man the myth the Legend Boston Red Sox shirt Additionally,I will love this can also be predicted based on size modelling among other primates and mammals . Another complicating factor in traumatic deliveries these days is macrosomia, where babies are being born at larger birthweights than ever before leading to increased rates of shoulder dystocia and second stage dystocia, often related to maternal obesity and/or diabetes, both preexisting and gestational.
The idea that humans are born underdeveloped was an assumption made in the Dad the man the myth the Legend Boston Red Sox shirt Additionally,I will love this medical field decades ago but was never based on studies, since then comparative studies with other mammals and primates show otherwise. To put it simply, nothing is done. My mother gave birth in 1950, I gave birth in 1990. Virtually unchanged medical care. Well, she was allowed nursing care in the hospital for a week, but I received only one day of healing permitted with inpatient care. And my daughter, the same, thirty years later. So for seventy years in arguably the most advanced scientific civilization in the history of humanity, women’s lived experience of the trauma of birth is unchanged. Same reason that all humans have back problems. We have a quadruped’s skeleton, but lazily rotated to just about function in a bipedal arrangement. Its really shoddy workmanship. So, walking upright and being intelligent fucks us over in the child birth department. Still- it obviously balances out in our favour in the end, our intelligence is worth our mortality rates in childbirth as a species as we are the most dominant on the planet. Women are naturally supposed to give birth in a squatting position, rather than laying on their back, which reduces a lot of the trauma and pain due to gravity assisting. In addition to the top comments, humans owe our survival to cooperation and community. For thousands of years other family and friends will step in to help while the mother recovers, or worst case scenario raise the kid.
Of course, this is a very general answer as there are cultures across history who’ve been known to just… yeet the Dad the man the myth the Legend Boston Red Sox shirt Additionally,I will love this baby if they don’t want it. But overall, we’re pretty good at taking care of each other. Lots of species have senescence built in so that the parental generation dies off shortly after giving birth so that there is less resource competition. Humans don’t have that, which raised a question as to why humans live so long past optimal breeding ages. Males can still produce gametes, but females are seemingly useless genetically after menopause… But anyone who knows a community also knows the answer. The older generation can assist with that new generation as they have skills and knowledge to help with such an ordeal. They know where the berries grow the best, they know what smoke keeps away the pests, etc. There’s a lot of benefits that are transmitted in ways beyond genes, and those benefits were deemed beneficial I think there was an anthropologist that was asked when she thought human civilization first appeared. She took a moment, and responded she found a human femur during a dig that was dated 20k years ago, far before the Mesopotamian, Indus Valley, etc. that we usually think of as ‘ancient civilizations’.. What was intriguing to her was that the femur had clear signs of healed fracture damage. Basically, whoever had that femur broke their leg, survived, healed, and then lived their life.
In the Dad the man the myth the Legend Boston Red Sox shirt Additionally,I will love this wild, breaking a limb (especially a leg) is usually a death sentence; prey animals cannot easily escape predators and predator species cannot catch or bring down prey. A number of species don’t bother with healing since most grievous injuries would lead to death anyway so it’s a waste. However, to that anthropologist, that femur was proof that humans (by that point), were MORE than just animals. If humans were savages at that point, that person wouldve died…yet they didn’t. Someone cared for them; kept them safe from harm, provided food and water, and all long enough so they could heal. It was the sign that humans at that point were moving away from ‘slaves of nature’, and hence could be called cultures.
You should look into hyena birth, if you want to see evolution* pulling a ‘more lived than died so it’s fine.’ Ours isn’t great, but theirs is on another level entirely. As others have stated it’s about finding that balance between what the Dad the man the myth the Legend Boston Red Sox shirt Additionally,I will love this mother can handle & what the baby can cope with to survive on both sides. Birthing survival rate in the first world is pretty high, with the US for some reason being the only first world country with abnormal rates of women not surviving childbirth. I think an integral factor in coping with childbirth is how the brain gets to work to scrub the trauma of birth almost immediately after completing the act. The relief of having contractions stop is incredible, along with the dopamine high of seeing / touching your child for the first time. I, like many people, said I would never give birth again immediately after birthing my child. My midwife laughed & said “if I had a dollar…” yet I am currently trying to get pregnant again.
Yup I told my husband when I was in labor that I would never allow this to happen to me again, I told him we can adopt, surrogate, I don’t care, never again. And I was dead serious. less than a year later, I suggesting that we have another one. Whats up with that? Really does fascinate me that a mother can have a kid and it hurt them so much they vow to never again have another then want another one. Ive seen that trope more than once. I started hemorrhaging after my C section. I thought I was okay till I started shaking and going into shock. Gyno said she hadn’t seen someone with so much afterbirth before. I really thought the Dad the man the myth the Legend Boston Red Sox shirt Additionally,I will love this whole process was super safe and I had no issues. It really scared me cause 5min before I had held my daughter and promised to love her forever. An acquaintance baby mama died recently in childbirth. It was so wierd seeing her photos on his status for months and suddenly she was gone. Especially since I feel she was so looking forward to it. The worst being I feel is that you love your child so much and the realisation you won’t be there for them 🙁
Before my daughters birth my husband and I had a hypothetical question if anything happened and he had to choose between me and the Dad the man the myth the Legend Boston Red Sox shirt Additionally,I will love this baby. He said me cause we can always have another baby and I agreed. As soon as I heard my daughters cry, my biological maternal drive immediately kicked in and I calmly thought, ‘I will willingly die for this child, there is no other option’. I’ve had 2 kids and would like a 3rd but my husband isn’t on board because we know 2 women who have died due to pregnancy / birth. And a few more who came out alive by the miracle of modern medicine. 1 stillbirth. We are both under 35. It’s insane, but I guess it’s also life. I don’t know the exact figures but I’d wager a fair number of animals die giving birth. I don’t think that is unique to humans.
It is because humans walk upright. Everything had to evolve and change to accommodate that. Cervixes, hip bone width, etc., etc., etc. Makes birth much more painful AND much more risky for both the Dad the man the myth the Legend Boston Red Sox shirt Additionally,I will love this mother and the baby. Our heads are too big! Even though we’re born prematurely (compared to other mammals) it’s still a very tight squeeze. I’d read a while back that more kids come out messed up because doctors require women to be on their backs during childbirth. That the correct way was on all 4s or something similar. That on all 4s would prevent many kids from being deprived of oxygen, having broken limbs during the process and make it easier on the mom giving birth. Apparently doctors know this but would still rather risk the lady and the child’s health. (I’m not sure why) if i remember correctly you can sue but it’s one of those things that’s been done for so long, its cemented damage for so long that its kept “hush hush”. I’d read the article years back but I can’t find it now. I’ll keep looking, though. Ok if you just Google “worst position to give birth” a list of articles will come up talking about the lithotomy position. ( on your back)
It’s best for the Dad the man the myth the Legend Boston Red Sox shirt Additionally,I will love this doctor as there are a number of ways things could go wrong that a doctor or trauma team could correct that wouldn’t work in other positions and the downsides ultimately weren’t significant enough to warrant a change. As someone else followed up: yes, it makes good, easy births more difficult, but it also helps dangerous births a great deal. Most people don’t know whether their birth will be easy or hard (hence the above-mentioned bits on a number of ways birthing could go wrong) so most won’t really begrudge it. Because we’ve been made to think that it’s supposed to be. Trauma free birth is possible in the majority of births, but for some reason women aren’t advocated for very well with childbirth. That’s why you end up with nutjob doulas with no formal qualifications, in some places in the world those people are the only people that are advocating for the mother to have a good birth. Unfortunately that can be a dangerous game. The whole thing needs a huge overhaul. Humans do a lot of things badly, ou eyes can’t deal with bright sunlight we have back problems our children are helpless for 3 years etc.
Something forced evolution on us way back in the Dad the man the myth the Legend Boston Red Sox shirt Additionally,I will love this day maybe it was when we bred with the neanderthals it fucked us up “our children are helpless for 3 years” I always found that interesting bc afaik, most animals after just having been born can walk and stuff (first that come to mind that can’t are birds and kittens and idk about birds but I’m pretty sure kittens are able to walk after a few weeks? But feel free to correct me aha) and I read somewhere that humans are basically all born prematurely on this basis bc the baby becomes too big for the mother to carry at that point and if any more time passed, the baby might get too big to be born naturally (size wise may have been referring to the head specifically but Idr)
Yes, but our brains compared to animals compensate for our sometimes dramatic physical deficiencies. We also have higher stamina than any other species. We don’t need the Dad the man the myth the Legend Boston Red Sox shirt Additionally,I will love this sight of a feline or the hearing of a canine when we are smarter and can outlast everything else during a hunt. There are new techniques like water birth that focus on relaxation. By doing this, it makes birth a lot easier. Having a baby in a hospital is the safest place, no doubt, but it’s also probably the most stressful, tied with a bus station bathroom. I haven’t read this book but did listen to a review and it discussed topics related to this, if you want to take a deep dive: Because we’ve evolved to have relatively giant heads to our body size for complex thinking, while at the same time we walk upright. Walking upright necessitates a smaller pelvis than walking on all fours We have evolved to maximize brain power. That requires big and bulky brains which requires big skulls and heads. The big heads have to fit through a small opening during birth and that makes birth difficult. 235 more repliesSerious thought: from a scientific standpoint- wouldn’t the access to c-sections and medical intervention in birth actually aid in making things “worse” in a way?? Like 1,000 years ago, moms and babies would die in childbirth for all sorts of reasons, some of which may have been narrow hips, malpositioning, large heads, health complications like pre-e etc. But now that we have modern medicine, these women and babies survive. And then go on to possibly have their own children and pass those same genetics down to the next generation. Which could also need medical intervention to successfully birth. Obviously I’m glad that we have medical intervention. Just a deep thought about how evolution fits into c-sections and other interventions.
From what I understand, it basically comes down to the Dad the man the myth the Legend Boston Red Sox shirt Additionally,I will love this large size of baby heads compared to the adult’s hips! Our large brains and heads have a cost- it makes giving birth to us particularly dangerous. But, being bipedal, our hips are a bit of a weird shape that our babies don’t especially like when coming out. I really wished people received better education on the very real risks and dangers of pregnancy; even with excellent medical care, it takes a huge toll on the body. In fact, bulldogs are said to experience a similar problem- their puppies have unusually large heads that the mothers struggle to pass, and if I recall correctly, most end up needing to be born by C-section! Yikes. Reproduction is just aiming for replacement, to be successful a woman only needs one child to survive, Femaile salmon lay millions of eggs for 1 to survive, female cats can have many litter for one to survive, female humans are actually doing ok percentage-wise. Science also makes us fitter. I know I wouldn’t be here without it.
I read an article on this. I can’t remember the Dad the man the myth the Legend Boston Red Sox shirt Additionally,I will love this exact words but it was something about our hips formed under the assumption we would walk on all fours instead of all twos? Except since despite all the hardships and people dying and the pain etc etc etc, we as a species are still not only able to give birth but our population continues to increase so evolution doesn’t change because it’s not a necessity according to our DNA. Honestly, once you go through the process, you truly wonder how the human race even made it this far or how there are this many people. Because we’re bipedal with big brains. The only way to solve this via evolution would be smaller brains and/or walking on all fours, and neither of those is good for the species. Yes. We evolved to walk upright, which resulted in developing a tighter birth canal through the human pelvis. That is combined with our relatively larger head making natural birth somewhat more dangerous than many other animals.
That said, births can be quite traumatizing in other animal species as well, so birth is pretty dangerous for more than just humans. We did. We evolved the Dad the man the myth the Legend Boston Red Sox shirt Additionally,I will love this ability to reason to the point where we are able to give birth in the presence of other humans who can intervene when a birth becomes high risk or other complications occur. I’m not saying this to be facetious. People seem to discount the fact that humans have pretty much hit the evolutionary jackpot by developing reasoning abilities over other “natural” adaptations. This is how we evolved, and it supercedes any other possible adaptation that “natural selection” could provide. Where is all this false reasoning coming from? Your thought process is way off. Look at child mortality rates. And mortality rates of women giving birth, in well developed countries. Not 3rd world. The science and theory of indoor plumbing development itself had a massive role to play in numbers of todays worldwide population. This really is an ignorant question and thread. 200 years ago half your kids died by 4 and mothers dying giving birth was extremely common. 100 years ago it was drastically reduced. Now extremely rare. Do your own research because you clearly don’t understand history or the human population. Also, one political party claims pro life unless you are a mother or baby. Everyone is pro life except serial killers. Dumbest thing ever. Pro life or pro death. Hmmmm. I’ll get back to you . Yeah right. Do your homework before asking questions that are spreading a false narrative.
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