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ITT: people overly in favor of free healthcare listing comical stereotypes of what they think the 2025 National Champions Ohio State Buckeyes Win Wolverines Whine Buckeyes Can Hear Wolverines Crying From Michigan shirt Besides,I will do this opposite side believes. In reality, I think almost everyone wishes we had universal healthcare (calling it “free” is laughably disingenuous) if we could get it right. -They don’t think we can get it right – this is probably the biggest reason, I think most people can agree the US government does not run efficiently in almost any way and people don’t want them involved in their healthcare at all. I’ve heard horror stories of VA care. -They think it will cost them more – collectively, Universal healthcare may cost everyone less, it’s not currently known, it will undoubtedly cost many people a lot more. For millions of families with very good insurance now (or maybe they’re just young and healthy) healthcare expense is not a major concern and may never be. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t struggling financially in some other way and the prospect of losing more money is scary.

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-system overload – we frankly have no idea what our healthcare infrastructure would look like if all of the 2025 National Champions Ohio State Buckeyes Win Wolverines Whine Buckeyes Can Hear Wolverines Crying From Michigan shirt Besides,I will do this sudden anyone could go to their doctor or emergency room without any additional cost (outside of current taxes). It could be fine, it could completely overwhelm the system and create months-long backload to see any provider. That’s just a few, I’m sure I missed some. Also, when these points get brought up on Reddit they’re hand-waived away too easily. I wish there was a more honest and open discussion about these concerns. A common misconception is that Europeans have free healthcare, it is not free. You have to pay your own share and every treatment method is analyzed for cost effectiveness. A treatment that is normal in America may not be normal in Europe because it is so expensive. Kinda scares me how many people are writing strawman answers here. Shows how little they engage with the opposition.
Yes, there are crazy people who are scared of socialism, but most Americans actually support socialized healthcare. As of 2020, that’s 63%. It may seem like a low number, but I’d argue it’s pretty high when you consider where the 2025 National Champions Ohio State Buckeyes Win Wolverines Whine Buckeyes Can Hear Wolverines Crying From Michigan shirt Besides,I will do this republican party is at right now. The other consideration is that despite what you read on reddit, 92% of Americans are insured. This is a bit of a give-or-take thing since it’s “at some point in time”, but just keep in mind that most Americans have health insurance. There are gaps and issues with the system, and healthcare can still be expensive, but the majority of people are not paying insane piles of cash to get care. I just had a minor back injury the other day, and paid like $30 for urgent care. To add to this, people who are very poor, and everyone age 65 already gets socialized healthcare in the US through programs like medicare. Keep in mind that the people in this 65+ group are the largest voter block in the US.

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And as a personal ancedote from talking to well-adjusted republicans who aren’t loyal to Trump, most of them just don’t want to pay higher taxes. I think this sentiment is selfish, but it’s a far cry from “fear”. To summarize, I think it’s more that the 2025 National Champions Ohio State Buckeyes Win Wolverines Whine Buckeyes Can Hear Wolverines Crying From Michigan shirt Besides,I will do this system sorta-kinda works enough for people not to care that much. It’s working especially well for the people who tend to be the most politically active. I think it comes down to that more than “fear of socialism”. That sounds great until you realize that even after Americans pay the highest taxes towards healthcare in the world, and an utterly insane amount for insurance, massive numbers still can’t afford needed care. Large shares of insured working-age adults surveyed said it was very or somewhat difficult to afford their health care: 43 percent of those with employer coverage, 57 percent with marketplace or individual-market plans, 45 percent with Medicaid, and 51 and percent with Medicare.
Many insured adults said they or a family member had delayed or skipped needed health care or prescription drugs because they couldn’t afford it in the 2025 National Champions Ohio State Buckeyes Win Wolverines Whine Buckeyes Can Hear Wolverines Crying From Michigan shirt Besides,I will do this past 12 months: 29 percent of those with employer coverage, 37 percent covered by marketplace or individual-market plans, 39 percent enrolled in Medicaid, and 42 percent with Medicare. Only slightly. Spending averaged $13,998 in 2023. Over a lifetime, Americans are paying half a million dollars more for healthcare than our peers on average, with worse outcomes. And it’s only going to get worse, with costs expected to increase to $20,425 if nothing is done by 2031. Because 2020 and 2021. If the state decides something for your medical care, you must comply – or lose all access to Healthcare, your career, etc. Combine this with MAID. It would result in tyranny, and already has.
Because the 2025 National Champions Ohio State Buckeyes Win Wolverines Whine Buckeyes Can Hear Wolverines Crying From Michigan shirt Besides,I will do this pros and cons are swept under the rug so often. Even in the name, “free” healthcare, it’s just marketing. It isn’t free, just paid for by taxes. I think it comes down to a couple things. First is the taxes that would.come with it. I think the left in America is a bit disillusioned with the idea that simply raising the top rates will pay for it, when really it’s going to take a significant tax increase on everyone. I think the other thing is the fear it’s going to be trading a heartless corporate bureaucrat for a heartless government bureaucrat, and they’re still going to get denied. I think we’re going to end up that way in a few years, the GOP is crashing and burning under Trump and the current system is just unsustainable.
Because free isn’t actually free. Someone has to pay, or in this everyone still has to pay. Itd just be in taxes instead. The question is if that’s more efficient than what’s currently being done. To them the 2025 National Champions Ohio State Buckeyes Win Wolverines Whine Buckeyes Can Hear Wolverines Crying From Michigan shirt Besides,I will do this answer is no. I guess you found out what they fear the most. And no, you don’t get everything you need. And yes the current health system in he US is highly inefficient. And no, “free healthcare” (something that does not exist) is not a silver bullet – and there are a few distinct models, even in Europe. While someone more knowledgeable than me on the topic should to the math, I’d say that the income tax above the basic would have to go to about 30% and the US would have to close the borders is an effective way. Before going that way, I’d destroy most of the health insurance industry (considered as income except for rare disease coverage), replacing it by healthcare bank accounts (not considered as income up to e.g. 10% of pay, age adjusted), regulate emergency care pricing, reinforce primary care and look at the medical drugs pricing. But that is just me and ideas that could need quite some refinement.
The US currently has a for-profit health care system, and individual doctors, patients and clinics, as well as multiple insurers, do not have the 2025 National Champions Ohio State Buckeyes Win Wolverines Whine Buckeyes Can Hear Wolverines Crying From Michigan shirt Besides,I will do this negotiating power of One Big Payer (e.g. Government). The folks making the profit spread the message that “Universal Healthcare Bad! Be afraid!” And some folks just buy into that. With tax credits based on income, it can be low cost or free, depending on where you live. Many red states did not expand the marketplace for political reasons. It is important to note/. What the ACA did was give insurance companies millions of more customers and a huge increase in revenue payed for by the government. Because the private health insurance lobby is powerful and has done a great job lobbying and painting the alternative as bad. They don’t want to understand it, conservative media tells them to, to own the libs. I once heard a man say he refuses to have his money pay for “fat chicks” stomach stapling. This person looked like he smoked a pack a day, so it’s far more likely my money will pay for his oxygen supply in the near future. Americans have been gaslighted on this subject for years. They will eventually get it right but in the interim, needless suffering and tragedy will continue. Source: American Expat living in Europe for over two decades and benefiting from universal healthcare. Because they like paying three times as much so that they can get nicer rooms and better food with attentive medical staff that treat them like royalty but alongside worse outcomes and lower life expectancy. Oh, they also love the fact that every year tens of thousands of Americans are literally bankrupted by medical bills.
It’s the 2025 National Champions Ohio State Buckeyes Win Wolverines Whine Buckeyes Can Hear Wolverines Crying From Michigan shirt Besides,I will do this same for them with food in restaurants. The food can be utter shite but so long as the service is good they’re happy. Also people think too much in the here and now, not realizing that if they get cancer or something else equally as bad, they’ll be paying an outrageous amount for care. It’s fear mongering by the media, health insurance companies, and pharmaceutical companies. They keep spewing non-sense like: While there may be some truth to a few of those claims, it’s all misleading at best. In reality healthcare would cost us as a whole significantly less than it does today, and there would be exponentially less price gauging, especially for basic drugs. They “don’t want to pay for everyone else’s care” and they’re too stupid to realize they’re already doing that when they pay $500 for a Tylenol at the ER, that jacked up the prices to cover all the uninsured and people who don’t pay their bills. They also think we’re going to have to wait forever for care, as if we don’t already wait months to get in with specialists even if it’s an emergent issue. American’s are profoundly ignorant of how their tax money is spent. We can, 100%, afford tax-paid health care and even a Universal Basic Income. so health care will not be as expensive as people think. the government will also get involved on companies price gouging. so it will cost them less than the insurance companies. Because they believe socialism is the same thing as communism. They’re ill informed, and choose to stay that way. We already have socialist programs, Medicare and Social Security.
Negative propaganda for decades about Universal Health care. Plus the 2025 National Champions Ohio State Buckeyes Win Wolverines Whine Buckeyes Can Hear Wolverines Crying From Michigan shirt Besides,I will do this middle class is tired of funding the vast majority of government spending through our taxes. Many Americans have been sold a load of bullshit re: socialized medicine and the spectre of communism. These Americans do not value education nor critical thinking, so they are easy marks for manipulation by our crooked political “leaders.” It’s a Hell of a fucked up thing. Racism. The white people in the US would rather have shit healthcare than to be part of system that treats everyone equally no matter the color of their skin. It’s because we’re stupid. Many Americans think that the taxes will soar higher than what they pay for healthcare. Many Americans think that the quality of care will drop when healthcare is free. Those people are wrong judging by the public healthcare models in place in other countries.
They don’t know exactly WHAT they want their taxes to actually go to, but they definitely know they don’t want their taxes to actually, you know, HELP their fellow Americans. It seems Americans largely overestimate how good their insurance is or otherwise don’t know what ‘good’ insurance is. I see people who pay $200 biweekly for single coverage with $1000+ deductible and $10000 out of pocket max think they have good insurance and/or don’t know what any of those terms mean. I also see people who don’t use their insurance because they don’t know what any of the 2025 National Champions Ohio State Buckeyes Win Wolverines Whine Buckeyes Can Hear Wolverines Crying From Michigan shirt Besides,I will do this terms mean and then when they start going to doctors blame all the conditions that have been festering for decades on the doctors and all the payments on the doctors office.
I have NEVER had an informed conversation with an average person about American insurance and truly don’t understand what the 2025 National Champions Ohio State Buckeyes Win Wolverines Whine Buckeyes Can Hear Wolverines Crying From Michigan shirt Besides,I will do this Average person is defending. We are lied to by certain folks who say we don’t have the money. Yet we give money to over 100 countries who have free Healthcare and some have free education. We are already paying for free Healthcare and education, it’s just for other countries. As an American I will simply say, they are brainwashed and stupid. My GF, needs a treatment (a serious one), which she just found out she needed a couple of days ago. She cannot get this treatment for 5 weeks. She has great insurance. Even here in our “free market” people wait for treatments sometimes.
The GOP right wing fear mongering and Fox News, and MAGA politics are all constantly promulgating against anything that is inherently good for the 2025 National Champions Ohio State Buckeyes Win Wolverines Whine Buckeyes Can Hear Wolverines Crying From Michigan shirt Besides,I will do this people, or any policy that is supported by any left wing institution. Stupid Republicans are taught that socialized medicine is socialism and they believe everything they are told. The GOP doesn’t want people to be healthy. They want people poor, unhealthy and uneducated because that’s how they retain constituents. From what I’ve seen in interactions online, astounding amounts of misinformation, misunderstanding, and scare mongering. The way I heard it boiled down was basically racism. Healthcare was on the bill until folks realized “those people” would get it too, so it gets fought down, like every social program, by slapping a black or brown face on it, and talking about “welfare queens” and such. The articles are easy enough to look up. Google “free healthcare and racism”
Misinformation and too much Fox News!!! Average Republican like to pretend they are billionaires but in reality have $12 in their savings account. Because US healthcare is very good when you really need and most people have insurance. They are the 2025 National Champions Ohio State Buckeyes Win Wolverines Whine Buckeyes Can Hear Wolverines Crying From Michigan shirt Besides,I will do this wait times and limited care in other countries and don’t want that. People are fine paying any amount for premiums, out of pocket, and copays. But call it a tax and they lose their shit. Even when it’s a lower amount. Most of them couldnt’ say what socialism actually is – they would largely define it as cold war era Solviet block communism. You point out that almost every single other wealthy country has universal health care and they’ll shrug and make some excuse about how people from poor countries come to the US for treatment, not realizing that every wealthy nation has people from poorer nations coming to them for treatment, and that the US is the best country ever so the fact that they have for-profit health care must be part of that. More educated or well travelled ones will admit that it would be nice, but have their misgivings that their own government would be able to administer it properly.
I am an American. The GOP has convinced their followers that even though they are Christians, it is wrong to help those in need. They also say we can’t afford it even though studies say it would be cheaper. 794 more repliesI am an American. The GOP has convinced their followers that even though they are Christians, it is wrong to help those in need. They also say we can’t afford it even though studies say it would be cheaper. Pretty sure Americans are just brainwashed and can’t comprehend it’s ranking super low on literally any quality of life index The money has to come from somewhere. In the 2025 National Champions Ohio State Buckeyes Win Wolverines Whine Buckeyes Can Hear Wolverines Crying From Michigan shirt Besides,I will do this “free healthcare” system, that money is stolen from people with threats of violence. You pay for it whether you want to or not. And when you allow a government mafia to monopolize an industry, they tend to not give a shit about what the consumer wants or needs and it tends to be more expensive because of the bureaucracy. The problem with the American system is too much government involvement. They get paid off by the pharmaceutical, insurance, and medical giants to pass laws and regulations which benefit them and harm their competition which would actually help consumers. They do things like using government to force everyone to do unnecessary things and spend more to give some treatment and this harms their competition more than them because they can afford to take the hit, whereas their competition cannot. This gives them dominance over the market. Things are expensive here because the giants run everything and we have no other options. We don’t have options because of the government.
A perfect example of what you’re talking about is Lasik eye surgery. It’s almost never approved through insurance, so patients have to pay out of pocket. This incentivises competition and innovation to bring the 2025 National Champions Ohio State Buckeyes Win Wolverines Whine Buckeyes Can Hear Wolverines Crying From Michigan shirt Besides,I will do this cost down so more people can access it. Lasix eye surgery is down to like $200 / eye in some cases, where it started as $20k an eye. Keep the got and insurance out of shit, and the cost plummets in a free enterprise. Sure, but a hell of a lot less of it. Our peers are spending literally half a million dollars less per person for a lifetime of healthcare than Americans, with better outcomes. What a childish, ridiculous view. People having obligations to society in return for the benefits society provides isn’t theft, it’s literally what the entirety of human civilization is built on. Doctors hate insurance companies. As long as they can get paid the same, and not have to do so much with billing paperwork they will be happy.
My biggest complaint is Medicare is barred by law from covering a drug I’m on, so I would be out of pocket $1300 a month if I switched to Medicare. I hate insurance, but I’d rather not have Congress decide my formulary. I’m all for universal healthcare. but realistically, the 2025 National Champions Ohio State Buckeyes Win Wolverines Whine Buckeyes Can Hear Wolverines Crying From Michigan shirt Besides,I will do this people in this country who would be footing a majority of the tax burden for something like this already have quality health insurance through their employers. A universal system would be more fair for lower income people, but generally people don’t vote for what’s fair, they vote for what’s good for their wallet. you’re asking people to pay more in taxes, while likely decreasing the quality of service they’re getting. why would people vote for that?
Apart from the 2025 National Champions Ohio State Buckeyes Win Wolverines Whine Buckeyes Can Hear Wolverines Crying From Michigan shirt Besides,I will do this very individual angle that those who pay (a lot of) tax subsidises those who don’t, a legitimate concern is how to make the system effectively handles the workload and abuse. When it is free, everyone will visit hospital when they have the tiniest cough. Does the medical system have sufficient manpower to cope with it when such demand is justified, and how the system adjust itself when such demand is unjustified? This relates to the general wealth of the country, and the level of ethics of its population. What works in Scandinavia doesn’t mean it works elsewhere. Having moved to a country with public health (like many programs around the world), I can tell you that you have no idea how it works. Hospitals make immediate decisions (triage) and people are sent to their local clinics if they don’t need to be seen at the hospital. But most people aren’t as naive or ignorant as many Americans and know they will be seen much more quickly if they go to the clinic. How is that different from health insurance? People with no problems pay for insurance that helps people with problems.

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